Introduction
Richard Bexon: Good afternoon, Laurent.
Laurent L’anglais: How are you doing?
Richard Bexon: I am good. I’m in Costa Rica. I can’t complain. Good afternoon, Richard.
Laurent L’anglais: Fantastic. I mean, you are from France and Costa Rica and France are my two favorite countries in the world. They outbeat England, which is where I’m from. I spend more time in France and Costa Rica than any other place in the world. So yeah. Well, Laurent, very much appreciate you kind of joining us here on the podcast. I think what we’re about to discuss is something that I haven’t really touched on, which is a lot of spirit and also energy, you know, and Feng Shui and kind of, I would say kind of like the, you know, Eastern world, like the East, you know, the old world rather than the West world, which is kind of, I think, very important. I think it’s coming back, especially as we’re seeing it in medicine. You know, we’re seeing a lot of it in medicine and we’re going to start to see a lot more of it here in Costa Rica. But the first question I’d love to ask people, Laurent, is that like, you know, there’s been so much volatility in Western markets in the Western world. I don’t think that’s changing anytime soon. Quite the opposite. It may get even more volatile. But I mean, what you’ve been in Costa Rica a little bit now, what are you seeing kind of happening here in Costa Rica?
Costa Rica’s Feng Shui Advantages
Laurent L’anglais: Well, you know, I’m going to base my analysis on the principle of Feng Shui. So in Feng Shui, we look at landform. We look at position of mountains, the shape of the mountain, the nature and also the position of large body of water, like lake or ocean. So there’s a reason why Costa Rica has been more politically and economically stable than the neighborhood country. And in Feng Shui, in what I’ve seen so far in the placement of certain type of landform, it’s going to remain prosperous with difference from region to region. But I would say, you know, I don’t think investors have anything to worry about the whole country, basically, political and economic stability. And the central place of Costa Rica is interesting as well, because the center is very important in Feng Shui. That’s something we really emphasize. So the fact that Costa Rica is central, you know, in America has to do with its prosperity as well.
Richard Bexon: Well, and it’s also, again, the majority of the people live here in the center and the central valley. Indeed, it’s center of the center. Yeah. I mean, what is it? You’d mentioned there about its neighbors, I mean, which is Nicaragua, Panama, these other things. What is it that makes Costa Rica so, what does it have that makes it so unique when it comes to Feng Shui?
Laurent L’anglais: Well, we have, for example, a formula called direct or indirect spirit, which has to do with the placement of large body of water like the ocean. So the placement of the ocean, basically, every 20 years, we have a period changing in Feng Shui. That’s how you can predict, just with a landform, the prosperity of a region based on where is the lake, where is the ocean. So West Vancouver, for example, where I live for a while, will remain prosperous no matter what is the period. Chicago goes through great fluctuation because of the placement of the great lake that is not always prosperous. So you can see the history of Chicago has been complicated. But Costa Rica is always, you know, in the placement of the ocean in West, Northwest, and so on, there’s always a direction that will work for this placement of water, bringing prosperity no matter what the period. So we have entered a new period in Feng Shui since last year called period nine, which is ruled by the fire element. So it brings much more volatility. It brings some phases on new technology, on Bitcoin, crypto, AI, all those things that are linked to the fire element. But what is traditionally the West, which is more metal, will be attacked by the fire. So the West, as we think about it, traditionally, meaning Europe, for example, will go through more instability. But the center, on the position of Costa Rica, on the placement of body of water and so on, will remain prosperous normally.
Spiritual Connection to Costa Rica
Richard Bexon: Well, it’s just a very, you know, if you’d have asked me 20 years ago to have a podcast on Feng Shui and start talking energy, I mean, I wouldn’t even know, you know, where to start. And I’d probably laugh at you. I’d love to say that my wife is a white witch, Laurent. She’s a doula. So she does a lot of like, you know, hypnobirthing. She does a lot of birthing. So my wife has definitely helped me, I would say, be in touch with my spiritual side. You know, I come from business, very logic world, very investing. But it’s difficult here in Costa Rica, not for that spiritual side to enter in, you know, I don’t think you can live here unless there is a spiritual side to you either. There’s something just very unique about Costa Rica, and you can feel its energy, even when people come here, they feel its energy. And the people here have a certain type of energy as well, which is very, very different. You know, I travel, and I’m sure you have all over the world. But when I come to Costa Rica, it’s just it feels in harmony, like everything just kind of feels quiet and tranquil. And yeah, it’s very, it’s very odd.
Laurent L’anglais: It is a grounding place, I would say that’s the main definition I would bring to it. It’s a grounding place. And what fascinates me is that so far, there is really a phase of, you know, different phase of expats in Costa Rica. But they are looking for better energy, better well being. And also they are attracted to spiritual side. But so far, unless I’m mistaken, I don’t think the spiritual side being connected to the house and property development. So that’s what I would love to bring here. Because it’s quite unique that you have so much spiritual retreat on travel, and even expat attracted to this energy here, but they don’t bring it to their home to the house, but they separate both, you know?
Regional Energy Patterns in Costa Rica
Richard Bexon: Well, look, I mean, hold that thought to sex, because I will get into design at the moment. But I just want to keep going. Like we, you know, you’ve mentioned about the position of Costa Rica, its water bodies, its mountains, etc. Are there areas of Costa Rica that have strong energy, based on like what you’ve seen and where you visited here?
Laurent L’anglais: Yes, so I haven’t visited, revisited, because I came here 12 years ago to plant some seeds, so to speak, for my future. But I haven’t revisited the whole country. But I can say safely that the area of Tamarindo should remain very prosperous. The East Coast, we just talked about it just before the podcast started, will fluctuate, you know, there will be periods of more prosperity, but it is a bit, you know, the weaker side in terms of prosperity of Costa Rica. On the West, I mean, the Southwest side will remain prosperous. On Manuel Antonio, which is more the West side, if you want, will fluctuate as well. San Jose will fluctuate as well, because the mountains around San Jose are prosperous or not so prosperous depending on the period. So San Jose will, it’s an interesting capital, San Jose, because you can see there’s a bit of faded glory, but there’s other areas like Santa Teresa that are booming and attracting a lot of wealth, you know. On Santa Teresa, by the way, is West of San Jose, it’s not East of San Jose. So, you know, we repeat this pattern where some Northwest, West and Southwest direction will be more prosperous, but not in the West. If you take the whole map of the world, you know, it’s not the West, it’s not Europe, for example, that will have a lot of prosperity. It’s more West, Northwest and Southwest or specific countries that are more Central or South, you know. With this new period, which is period 9, the South or the Southern Hemisphere will rise. On the Northern Hemisphere, it’s not like the Northern Hemisphere is going to go down the drain, you know, but Latin and South America are going to rise automatically.
Richard Bexon: Yeah, I mean, you know, I mean, that’s why I moved here 20 odd years ago was because I kind of felt that like, you know, the West was the old world and that Latin America is the new world. And I mean, you know, I’ve been exploring a lot more Chile, Argentina, and I’m like, wow, I mean, just it’s an empty canvas, you know, it’s beautiful, there’s not that much development, or it’s very natural, you know, and Costa Rica is starting to develop a little bit more. And those countries just intrigue me because they are kind of like old Europe, they feel a little bit like old Europe as well, but just an empty canvas.
Laurent L’anglais: Yeah, Argentina is quite fascinating, because they, I mean, they certainly went through some economic hardship, but it’s game changer since last year. So we’re gonna see where it goes.
Feng Shui in Property Development
Richard Bexon: Definitely. I mean, let’s go now into again, as you’ve mentioned, they’re about like home design here, you know, when, when you work with I mean, are you what you’re working with kind of architects or you’re working with home? Like, how does it typically work when you when you know, are you kind of an addition to the project? Like, how do you kind of integrate your project?
Laurent L’anglais: I am often an addition to the project, and I wish I was called at an early phase, you know, an earlier phase. Because a lot of people have this assumption, which is normal that Feng Shui is mostly interior design. But historically, and as a practice, that’s not what it is, interior design is a last layer, we can still do things in interior design, in terms of symbolism, color and so on. But at first, it is a management of natural energy, basically to make it simple what acupuncture does to your body Feng Shui does for your house or business. Okay, so there is a natural good flow of energy depending on the location, the facing, the facing direction of the house or the property, where is the main door and so on. So we have rules like the meridian in acupuncture, where should be the water exit, like toilets, kitchen, and so on, where should be the stove, where should be the front door and so on. And if you respect those rules, you naturally going to be in sync with your environment and attract prosperity and more well being. If you go against those rules, you will have a problematic house or business, you know, you can see the same type of business, sometimes you go into a mall or a street with different restaurants, they offer the same thing, can be, you know, a luxury restaurant, can be a soda, doesn’t matter. But depending on the facing, east or west, it’s not going to be busy the same, they have pretty much the same menu, you know, so you’re scratching your head because same quality of food, basically same offer, but it’s not the same amount of people on same prosperity on Feng Shui, we explained it very, very well.
So basically, you know, we if we can be here at the inception Feng Shui practitioner, if we can design with the architect, we have a better chance to design a home that is healthy, rather than sick, you know, you have sick building, basically, you have building where you you enter, you feel unwell, you don’t sleep well, you’re not going to be able to focus. And I remember this, this story, which is crazy, when I was scouting for an apartment in London, which used to be home. So I went with, you know, my Chinese compass to scout for different apartment with realtor. And one of them was very curious, he asked me, what are you doing? So I explained to him, he said, Listen, I don’t know if I believe in it or not. But we have a house in the agency, we call it the divorce house, because six couple moved in on the sixth couple ended up divorcing on living this place. I say, well, you know, statistically, I think now you believe in things.
Practical Feng Shui Guidelines
Richard Bexon: Wow. Yeah. I mean, just to give any of the listeners here that are like, I mean, some just tidbits of stuff, like, look, a house should not face this way. Like, I mean, what are just the basic concepts that like someone that is really not into this or might go, I’m not too sure about whether I believe it or not, I’d be like, look, here is some advice that I have for you, you know, beyond hiring, learn, you know, like, look, spend some time there, look at the sun where it is, make sure it doesn’t face this way, make sure the body of water. No, you know, even I don’t know about it. Believe in it? 100% Yes, Laurent, because I’ve been into enough homes where I’m like, the energy is good in this one, the energy is bad in that one. You know, even even my neighbor’s houses, sometimes I’m in them. And I’m like, my energy is not like vibrating at the same frequency that this, you know, whereas in my own home, I’m very, very comfortable.
Laurent L’anglais: Yep. Yeah. So I can give you a few good rules of placement of the house, for example, one golden rule we have, but some, you know, property developers tend to forget, we don’t place a house, or, you know, the village or whatever you want to develop into the vein of the dragon. So this is also the kind of ridges you see in a mountain where the river, the rain water is going to flow, you know, so there’s obviously the aspect of flooding that some people keep to keep forgetting, you know, you’ve seen in Valencia or other property development. But it’s just because the energy eventually when it rains, and you have a big rainy season in Costa Rica will be too strong, and it will hit the building, you know, so even if it’s flooding proof, if you want what you build, there will be a chi, an energy that is too strong to have a peaceful house when it’s placed there. Another thing is what we call the celestial animal. So they’re just a fancy pointing Chinese name just to say landform. So you want the left side to be a than the right side, okay, the left side will relate to men living in the household, you know, an authority reputation, the right side will relate to money, but you don’t want the right side, which is a more feminine side to be above the masculine side. So it sounds old fashioned, but it has to do with polarity of yin and yang.
Okay, if you do, if you have this, if you have a mountain on the left side, that is higher than your building, which is good, but also higher than the right side, you already have a good setup, you know, one of the good things we set up and you want to have a mountain at your back as well, something protecting, it’s literally like someone having your back, you know, so it’s going to protect your back from energy attack, if you want, it’s going to also protect your descendants, so meaning your children, and your future prosperity. Ideally, if you have a body of water, you would prefer to have it flowing in front you know, in front of your house rather than at the back, you know, it’s a better thing. And you don’t want the flow to be like torrential, you don’t want like a very active waterfall or river, you know, you want something that is like, you know, a nice stream, and that will bring prosperity, basically. But you don’t want something coming really directly hitting your home, like a big river bend or, you know, a big road really hitting your home, that can be good for business. So that’s funny, we have different rules for business or house, you know, for business, if you have something hitting the business, it will bring a lot of clients in. But if you want to sleep well, to be in good health on the long run in this house, if you have something hitting the front door, or the facade all the time, it’s not great.
Energy and Land Selection
Richard Bexon: And Laurent, you know, again, because you know, I spent, it’s amazing how many clients and I’m sure a couple will chuckle listening to this podcast that I’ve said of like, to them when we’ve been out with them of like land has energy, and when you’re on it, you’ll feel that energy or you don’t. And when you find the right one, you’ll know in two seconds, you know, I’ve had clients who look for signs on property, I had one, they were building a retreat. And she was like, you know, we were on there. And she was like, I’m looking for a sign. And I said, Well, what sign you looking for? She’s like, for me, it’s a hummingbird. I’m like, there’s one right there. And she’s like, what? And I’m like, there’s one right there. Like, look, there’s two in that tree right there. And she was like, okay, duff, let’s buy this land. Now they have a retreat where, you know, they help people with PTSD, usually veterans, basically here in Costa Rica. But it’s do you ever get involved at the start when someone’s looking like of, hey, I want to find a piece of land, say in Costa Rica, but like, help making sure it has the right energy?
Laurent L’anglais: Yes, yes. So I can do very comprehensive report to teach you to give you a crash course into finding a good piece of land sanctuary wise on a bad one. You know, so it depends how dedicated you are to this process or not, because of course, there will be many layers on, you know, it can be exciting for some people, some people prefer me to be just interior designer kind of guy, you know, but if you do that, yeah, you’re going to have a bit more work, you know, before finding your land, but you’re going to find a land that is more prosperous, you know? So yeah, choosing the land is paragon, you know, even the shape of the parcel is really important. So we try to have regular shape, you know, everything that would be L shape or, you know, really unusual shape, you will have to correct it with basically what you plan the type of tree you plan on to try to go back to regular shape for the house surrounding the house. Wow. That would be a good thing.
Richard Bexon: Yeah. Wow. I never really thought about that before, you know, just the regular shapes and kind of making it look a bit a bit regular.
Materials and Eco-Construction
Richard Bexon: I mean, are there any other aspects that you like you bring to a kind of design or even a build or, you know, furniture? I mean, you know, because the whole process is pretty long, you’ve talked to kind of about its location, but what about like materials? Is there anything about materials that are used, Laurent, in Feng Shui?
Laurent L’anglais: Yeah, you know, in all time, I mean, the first trace of Yin Feng Shui are Neolithic China. So we’re talking about, you know, time was it didn’t have to problematic material, basically. Yeah. But of course, modern Feng Shui, we had this layer. So there’s really an awareness of eco construction in Costa Rica, and it’s great if you can blend those things. So, you know, I remember specifically a rich client in Vancouver on I went, you know, to the new living room they designed, but the smell of the linoleum on new materials they put here was so overpowering, they couldn’t use this room for months, you know, so I would say it’s just it’s not even Feng Shui, it’s good sense, you know, like it’s not going to be very good for your health. If you’re at this level, you cannot occupy this room for a month before the smell dissipate, you know, but of course, every material has a vibration, every color has a vibration. So we try to pair this with eco material, pens that are not toxic and things like that, you know, really, so the closer you are to nature and eco material, the more, it’s the same with clothes, you know, if you wear linen or silk, you’re going to feel very different than if you wear, you know, spandex all day long, you know, it’s not the same vibration, you know. So it’s the same for your house.
It’s funny how people can think about what the heat, for example, in terms of organic food, there’s really an awareness here, you know, local, organic food and so on, but they’re not going to look at which mattress they sleep on, you know, which paint they use on the wall, all those things, you know. So yeah, we have a fantastic, what I bring can be really the last layer, or it can be extremely intricate at every single level. But if you are, if you do property development, and you add all those layers, imagine the age you are, because people come here with an eco awareness. So if you tell them, you know, I have this amazing property developments that being ecological and sanctuary from A to Z, I think you will have an amazing age.
Feng Shui for All Budgets
Richard Bexon: Yeah. Well, I mean, look, I mean, as you said, there are a lot of people come to Costa Rica to feel grounded. And I mean, you know, whether they think about it grounded to relax or whatever, but the beauty of Costa Rica sometimes is nobody cares what car you drive, what house you have, like none of that matters. It’s more about the quality of the human being, you know, the opposite. I mean, if you have a flashy car here, everyone’s like, you’re an idiot, you know, because everything there is a humility to living here. And I know, again, a lot of very, very rich people here, and they just drive regular cars, because like, you don’t want to be flashy. And it’s just not part of being humble, and doesn’t really go, you know, with the supposed energy that Costa Rica has. But yeah, I mean, like, if you incorporate yourself in it, like is Feng Shui and kind of its design and layout and energy only for people with building multi-million dollar homes, Laurent, or like, because you know, a lot of that, like, someone might be listening to this that’s building up, like looking to buy a piece of land for $100,000, or build a house for 300, 400, like, and going, wow, you know, Laurent’s only really worked with people in, you know, Vancouver before in like, one of the richest areas. Like, like, is it something that they can also bring you in on that’s going to be somewhat affordable as well, if that makes sense?
Laurent L’anglais: Oh, yeah, very much so. Like, when I have clients in London and Paris, which are some of my current main market, sometimes, you know, because of the rent, you have small apartments, you know, in those places. And there’s always something to do, I pretty much guarantee that the Feng Shui process will improve how you feel in your place, and will improve some aspect of your life. So if I am here at the designing phase, bingo, we have the best of both worlds. But you know, at any phase on no matter what your budget, I have something to offer, basically, you have to take people where they are.
Richard Bexon: Yeah.
Laurent L’anglais: And, you know, if I will only cater to very rich people, I don’t think it would be aligned with with my mission, you know, which is to provide, you know, better well being on prosperity. And I started, you know, in from a modest family on modest in my work as well. So you build up this over time. But yeah, it’s, it’s super exciting for me to go from someone, you know, with a possibly a struggling struggling mother was a middle life crisis to property development, you know, which is a very different scale. It’s not the same thing you’re going to bring as well, you know, there’s not a separation with a client, there’s not the same demand. So it’s very interesting, because when we do people individually, we also go into, you know, what is their destiny? What is the date of birth? At which timing are you? So something I’m looking at with, you know, the astrological path we can we can graph to Feng Shui. So there’s a more metaphysical esoteric paths that sometimes, you know, people who are dealing with architects and so on don’t necessarily want to hear about they want an efficient house that brings, you know, more well being on prosperity, but they’re not interested in the metaphysical path. So I really adapt myself to what is a client demand on the budget as well.
Personal Resonance and Connection
Richard Bexon: Look, you’ve sold me Laurent, like, again, I’m typically not a spiritual person, maybe more spiritual than I was 20 years ago. But you know, I mean, if I get I will, there’s one house I’ve been into, and I can remember it now. And I mean, I walked into it, and I was like, wow, like, for just walking through the front door, I hadn’t seen the rest of the house, which is something about it just hit me, dude. And I was like, I’m so aligned with this property. It’s insane. And that’s one house over 1000s that I’ve seen. I mean, I’ve seen some nice houses, yes, this can work. But that one house still, like, you know, still, like, is in my dreams, dude, I just can’t get rid of it. You know, and yeah, yeah. Did you buy it? Did you invest? It was actually a lot more, it was way overpriced, but like what I wanted to do, you know, because I live, you know, I live in the same house I bought 20 odd years ago. And like, you know, I spend a lot of my money on traveling and developing and building stuff in Costa Rica. I don’t live in a fancy house. In fact, a lot of people, you know, like when they come to my house, wow, I was expecting something like a lot more grandiose and larger than this. And I’m like, man, for me, it’s a place where I sleep, you know, a place where I’m growing my family. But like, we spend a lot of time traveling as well. You know, July, whenever here, January, where’s traveling of like, it’s, it’s, yeah, I don’t have a huge house. I don’t need a huge house, you know. But, you know, if I ever got to the point, I’m going to try and rebuild that house at some point in the future, but up in the mountains, you know, and it’s, I know I can’t recreate it perfectly, but as I said, I’m a believer where I’d be like, okay, let me get Laurent. Here’s the land I’m looking at. Here’s kind of the house design and the feel that this gave me of like, how do I recreate this somehow to just make sure that the energy of the, the land and Costa Rica and the property and me is all kind of aligned, if that makes sense.
Laurent L’anglais: Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. You know, the, the, the expertise of Feng Shui even go to where you’re going to put the gutter, you know, the, the rain pipe on that kind of scenes, because where the water exits your house will bring prosperity or challenge. So we really go to some layers that are very intricate, but really what, what I would like people to understand today, it’s not about wind shine. It’s not about gizmo. It’s, you know, historically it was designed first for how do we make the village prosperous? How do we have better crop, better energy? You know, how can we last longer? And then it went to the emperor of China. And those people were not interested into, you know, fancy gizmos, that kind of thing. They wanted to remain power and to have more power as well. So that’s the reason why the forbidden city is built entirely in Feng Shui principle. That’s the reason why Hong Kong is still using Feng Shui master, you know, for any building in the financial center. And by the way, you know, there’s really a growing interest of Chinese investor into property in Costa Rica. So obviously the house is, has been designed with Feng Shui. They would go for that one over a rental. That’s for sure. That’s for sure. That’s a, that’s what I had in Vancouver, some basically a real estate agency. We’re stuck with selling to the Chinese and they called me to redesign the place because they were like, you know, Chinese people tell us bad Feng Shui and we have no clue what it means. Yeah. So there’s also this branch of investment, but yeah, really I pretty much guarantee, you know, your house will have a different energy. Your property development will have a different energy that will attract more people. And for people buying, I guarantee you will feel better once you live in this place. So it’s a win-win situation. After people, you know, who hire me can choose to advertise it. Like for example, this house has been made with a Feng Shui master. So that can be an edge or they can keep it, you know, discreet, but it just will be an energy that will be, you know, that will stand out, stand out in the crowd.
How Would You Invest $500,000 Inheritance in Costa Rica?
Richard Bexon: Awesome. Well, Laurent, I’ve taken enough of your time and this has just been very, very interesting, even for me. Again, I think it’s a very different podcast than what I’ve had before. And I’m, you know, when you were introduced to me, I was like, oh God, and now I’m okay. I, you know, look, I’m a believer, buddy. But my last question for you, I mean, that I love to ask everyone, if you inherited $500,000 and you had to invest it into a business or real estate in Costa Rica, Laurent, what would you invest it in and why?
Laurent L’anglais: Certainly I would build another spiritual retreat, but I would love to build a spiritual retreat where you unplug from everything. There is no wifi signal. It’s totally shielded. You know, it’s totally grounded. You can detox from modern world. That’s one area. And probably on the side, I will open an animal refuge. You know, I have a strong connection to animals, especially dogs. And yeah, I would do something like this to, to have a good karma basically. But yeah, I would dream of a, of a retreat where it’s not just a spiritual retreat with plants, you know, that kind of thing. There’s a lot of offer around those things, but rather it’s a place where you won’t get your cell phone signal. You won’t be able to connect. You will be forced, so to speak, to be grounded for a week or so and see what it does to your body online. And that takes, you know, some, some creativity into designing because those wave goes to everything. So you have to build strong wall in Adobe and so on, you know, to really have this grounding properties basically. So yeah, that’s, that would be what I would do.
Richard Bexon: You know, I was chatting with someone the other day, actually some really good friends of mine have like my, some of my best ideas have actually been hiking and Chiripo. I don’t know what it is. I’ve hiked Chiripo like five times, but every single time I hiked down Chiripo, like it just come like energy, come like ideas come to me, man. And I’m not too sure that it’s because I’ve digitally detox when I’ve been up there, like I’m on my own. It’s a very different world up there of Costa Rica. There’s nothing there, if that makes sense, you know, the highest peak, you know, and it’s a total disconnection. There is no cell phone signal. There’s no nothing. And it’s, yeah, it’s, it’s, it’s interesting. I’m still trying to figure out, you know, why I have that, but I keep hiking Chiripo because just the guys in my office just say, Rich, can you just do it once a year, not twice a year? Cause it’s too much. You know, but yeah, it’s, I get it. That, that digital detox sometimes in that grounding, because it’s amazing things that can happen when that happens.
Laurent L’anglais: Yeah. We have such a wealth of information on stimuli right now that there’s almost no room to have silence on still time to have ideas, you know, like boredom is very useful, you know, when kids used to be bored, they could create more things. Now this you, you feel the cup so much now that, you know, where’s the place for you on ideas basically. So it’s great. It’s great to have places for this. Yeah.
Richard Bexon: I agree. Well, Laurent, I really appreciate your time and sharing your experience here on the podcast. Anyone that wants to get in contact with Laurent, I’m going to put all of his contact details down in the description, but sir, thank you very much for your time.
Laurent L’anglais: Thank you so much. It was such a pleasure. Thank you. Bye. Bye.
