204 Building a RadPad for 35k

[Richard Bexon]

Good afternoon, Tony.

How are you doing?

[Tony From Rad Pad]

 I'm doing excellent. Thanks for having me.

[Richard Bexon]

Not at all, man. It's an absolute pleasure. As I say, I'll talk to anyone about anything Costa Rica related.

And I think what you're trying to do is, I think, with RADPAD, I think that there's a lot of demand for it. So yeah, it's great to get you on here.

[Tony From Rad Pad]

Yeah. Thank you. Thank you.

I've learned so much from all your podcasts, man. I've been binging them. And now I'm on to your Reels.

No, not Reels, the Shorts on YouTube.

[Richard Bexon]

Okay. Okay. Yeah.

I mean, I think that they just, the guys in the office just take stuff from the actual podcasts. But yeah, I think we've thrown up some webinars recently as well, which are a little longer. But we have a webinar coming up with an architect, where we're going to chat with an architect on it and kind of go through that process.

So yeah.

[Tony From Rad Pad]

Nice. Well, if there's anybody out there like me with the short attention span, man, those shorts are awesome. They're just like dropping bombs one after another.

Don't do this. Don't do that.

[Richard Bexon]

I suppose at some point we should start saying, do this and do that, right?

[Tony From Rad Pad]

Ah, yeah.

[Richard Bexon]

There's a lot of that too. There's a lot of that too. Well, I mean, as you said, I mean, we were just chatting, you've been here in Costa Rica now for quite some time.

I mean, what are you seeing happening here in Costa Rica? I mean, are you still seeing the market pretty, pretty buoyant? I mean, what is your perspective?

[Tony From Rad Pad]

Okay. Well, my perspective, right? So I got to Nicaragua right before COVID and I stayed there through the whole thing.

So I never left for about four, four years, four and a half years. And I, I just crossed the border the first time, maybe 160 days ago, about a half a year ago, I just came over on a trip just to explore Costa Rica. And when I saw it, I was like, it was overwhelming.

It was like, wow. So I had friends that lived in each one of the beach towns. I took 10 days and I started in Nassaro and then Guanacaste all the way down through Jacaco.

And then wound up in Dominical where I am now. And it was mind blowing, man. I mean, there's 1000 prospects for every one prospect in Nicaragua.

It was just like, whoa. Yeah.

[Richard Bexon]

I was, I was about to ask you, you know, I mean, you've done some stuff in Nicaragua. I know Nicaragua very well. You know, we've done some stuff up there, but I mean, how did the two countries differ?

I'm sure it's night and day, but I'd love to get your perspective.

[Tony From Rad Pad]

Yeah. My perspective. I mean, I like to go deep into things.

About a year ago, I stopped fixing problems and I started looking at problems as like little indicators to find the cause, you know, and then find a solution for it. So when I go into like the difference between Nicaragua and here, I mean, there's obvious ones. There's no like horse carts on the road here.

There's Mercedes and BMWs here. And you won't see that there and that sort of thing. But I'd say a cultural difference.

And it's like a psychological cultural difference, like in a business. And I'd say people in Nicaragua, the culture is almost of scarcity. It's, I'd say the majority of people that I've encountered there have a certain amount of resource and they hold on to it tightly and as it slowly dwindles.

So they've kind of left the United States or left Canada or Europe or whatever. And they've come with one big nest egg. And they're basically each day is kind of a little bit worse than the last day.

So it's a culture of scarcity. Whereas what I've seen here in Costa Rica, the majority of the people I've met are still generating income from the US and Canada and Europe and whatnot. And they have this like, this abundancy, the opposite.

It's kind of like there will always be more feeling that you get here. So I really enjoy being around, you know, a lot of dreamers that make it happen, like crazy builds I've seen here. It's just like, wow, great.

Good for you. Yeah. I mean, that's the biggest difference.

[Richard Bexon]

I think that Costa Rica politically and from a security standpoint, you know, just politically, it's not a dictatorship, a democratic dictatorship, if that makes sense. Like it is a democracy. So I think from an investment point of view, it's just a safer investment, hence why we've had that foreign investment come in.

[Tony From Rad Pad]

Absolutely. I think to really understand Nicaragua, I think you'd have to go and you'd really have to live outside of the gates of the community of this, you know, really live in Nicaragua, Nicaragua and spend, you know, a year or two there to really understand it. I couldn't tell you, there's no way I could explain to you that Nicaragua would be a safe investment.

You'd have to go and really understand it yourself.

[Richard Bexon]

Well, I mean, from an investment point of view, like how would you compare the two? I mean, would you consider making an investment in Nicaragua, you know, you know, or if someone's thinking about the two, but probably wouldn't be on the same spectrum, like how do they measure when it comes to investment?

[Tony From Rad Pad]

Yeah, it's tough. So first you got to, you know, a lot of people here are super, super scared of going to Nicaragua. And I'm like, what do you mean?

I mean, I've been there for years.

[Richard Bexon]

I'm not scared to go.

[Tony From Rad Pad]

Yeah, I'm scared less. I'll go anywhere in Nicaragua anytime and I'll have a great time. But I don't do drugs or drink alcohol or party or look for trouble.

So I'm always, I've found anywhere I go, I'm good. I'm not, you know, rolling with the wrong people. Um, so, so then people in Nicaragua are scared to come down here.

They think it's all gangs and narco and all this stuff. I'm like, I personally haven't seen any of that since I've been here. But I do go to sleep around nine o'clock.

So.

[Richard Bexon]

I mean, look, I think that there's if you're looking for it, if you sit there, it's it's there everywhere. But I'm sure. Yeah.

Yeah.

[Tony From Rad Pad]

Yeah. Back to your question, investment. So I'm doing something in a Popoyo area.

I really love that area of Nicaragua right now. There's a new coastal road going in and all sorts of, you know, if it gets finished, that's the thing. You know, it started a lot.

Nicaragua started a lot of really cool projects. And a lot of them are maybe one or two haven't come to fruition. So this one looks like it's really happening.

This new road that connects a new border from Costa Rica all the way up to Nicaragua. And it opens up 58 new beaches. So it's like you've been to beaches in Nicaragua.

They're like they're mine. They're so beautiful. So so I'm I'm working on a project up there where the lots done, lots are done with the title and done properly.

And I have a I have a really extensive system or checklist for that. You know, we've got lots for five thousand dollars. Yeah.

So, you know, that's like five minutes walking to the beach. That doesn't get you anything here. No, no, it doesn't even get you a lawyer to look at your, you know, plot document or whatever.

So they're they're they're totally different. But the thing is, is that here, you know, people people tell me that Nicaragua is so much cheaper than here. And I say, well, what is cheaper if you can't generate income?

You know, so, yeah, we can go build a surf camp. But like how many surfers are really going to come? You know, here I can do a surf camp here and I got there's a serious market for it.

You know, like there's there seems to be more people than accommodations here, where I am in in Costa Rica during this peak season, these four months. Yeah. Then then there are rooms available.

And then in Nicaragua, there's often more rooms available than there are people for them. Yeah.

[Richard Bexon]

The opposite.

[Tony From Rad Pad]

Yeah.

[Richard Bexon]

Well, I mean, look, Nicaragua had a great run and like, you know, all the way up to I mean, well, what was it like five, six years ago? I mean, it was doing amazing. Twenty eighteen.

Yeah. Yeah.

[Tony From Rad Pad]

Right up to twenty eighteen is insane.

[Richard Bexon]

I mean, the owner of Hikuro Lodge and the guys that run that, you know, we're just doing really, really well. Yeah. But unfortunately, you know, yeah.

Then the political unrest and, you know, I mean, it's kind of like, you know, even here, the Costa Rican government the other day, SUHEF, which is the kind of like our SEC, sent out an email saying, look, we want to know everyone that's working with Nicaraguan companies, you know, because it's you know, I mean, I always like to say this is like another state of the U.S. So this is anti-Nicaragua. So now Costa Rica has to be kind of somewhat anti-Nicaragua, if that makes sense.

[Tony From Rad Pad]

Yeah. Yeah. I just did my border run up there the other day and it was it was a blast.

I only meant to go one, you know, like one hour over there and come back or like ten minutes, whatever. But I wound up being there three days. It's beautiful.

It was like, yeah, it was such a it's just so I don't know if the humbling is the right word or it really makes you put your patience pants on and your tolerance and you're all the big stuff that's good to bring back here, you know? Yeah.

[Richard Bexon]

Well, Nicaragua is raw. Like people, you know, like Costa Rica is difficult sometimes with certain things. I'm sure it's even worse in Nicaragua, you know, but like people sometimes get frustrated in Costa Rica and it's like, well, like there are other countries, like even in Panama, sometimes it's even worse, you know?

[Tony From Rad Pad]

No, they wouldn't. The guys like, you know, you wouldn't make it. I mean, like to build in Nicaragua, I don't know what building experience you've done up there, but like I built I built a few things and and it is not like, you know, I came out of Canada just finishing building wineries and recording studios and high end stuff.

And I'm there and I'm like, all right, we'll order all the machines. And they're like, uh, the machines are these muchachos. I'm like, what?

You know, like everything was different. You know, we were using shovels and machetes and just resourcefulness.

[Richard Bexon]

Yeah.

[Tony From Rad Pad]

Much respect.

[Richard Bexon]

Much respect.

[Tony From Rad Pad]

Yeah.

[Richard Bexon]

I mean, all the construction guys, mainly here in Costa Rica are from Nicaragua.

[Tony From Rad Pad]

Totally, man. Even the guys I just met now were, you know, they were working so hard. I was like, dude, you guys are like, this is the real deal.

And then then they were like, oh, we're from Tunadega. I was like, ah, of course you are.

[Richard Bexon]

Tell us a little bit about RADPAD, kind of how it came and how it came about and like, how you guys add value.

[Tony From Rad Pad]

Yeah, for sure. So RADPAD, I mean, if you want the whole enchilada, the whole story, RADPAD is an idea that came from necessity, right? So I had a, oh man, how to get into this without getting too into it for you.

I had a restart in life and that was two and a half years ago. So two and a half years ago, my wife left back to the United States and then my children went with her. So I have three lovely daughters and they went with her.

And there was a, there was a moment in my life where I could, I could either fix, you know, go for the cause of the problem or just try and fix the problem again. And I had a money problem. I made quite a lot of money.

So I'd make six figures each year in many different professions. So I've been a performer in a band, I've been an audio engineer, and I've been a winemaker and then a builder and then a marketer. And in each one of the things, I've been able to generate over six figures each year from doing them.

So I've gotten pretty professional in each area, but say I make 10,000, I'd spend 11,000. That was me. And then in Nicaragua, it was kind of the end of it.

And it was like, you know what? I can't, I need to like live life on life's terms. And I couldn't get any help from anybody.

So I started over from scratch in Nicaragua. It was, it was, it was gnarly, but it was also, it felt like it was the right thing to do for me. You know, I haven't seen my kids in two and a half years.

That's the, that's the hardest part about it. And there's some, you know, there's some back backstory to that, but I won't get into that. It's, it was more of, look, I can get money.

You know, my friends will send me money. One of my friends said he'd send a plane, you know, to come and get me, one of my business partners. So it was like, I can get, I can get the problem fixed, but I'm like, dudes, it's not, the money isn't, you can't fix a drug problem with a drug and you can't fix money with a money, money problem with money.

So I said, I'm going to start, I'm just doing it, man. I'm going to, I'm going to earn my way back to, to Canada, the U S and, you know, be with my kids and stuff. So that was two and a half years ago, man.

And I yeah, I, I had a great job. I want to quit my job and stuff. So I, I wound up a homeless dude.

I slept behind the church in San Juan del Sur. Wow. Yeah.

I didn't have a driver's license and expired visa 400 days over. Um, I didn't have credit cards or a bank or nothing. And, um, and I was just really trying to sort out, like really dig into like, how do I, you know, freaking solve the cause of the problem.

And, um, so then a lady, um, asked me if I'd be her cuidador because she didn't have any doors on her house. So I was like, sure, now I can sleep on the floor in her house. And then I was, you know, after a couple of days, cause it was kind of traumatic time for me.

Um, after a couple of days, I was like, dude, I can, I can fix your doors and kind of a carpenter. Uh, so then I built her doors and then, you know, I refinished her kitchen. And then I, um, built bedrooms for her and helped her start an Airbnb a little bit.

And the guy came by and was like, Hey, would you check out my, my build and see what, see what's going on? I think something's wrong with it. His name was George.

And I was like, sure, man, I'll come, but I don't have any, I don't have any way to get there, dude. I don't have any, you know, I was getting paid, um, $15 a day, $14 a day to be the door. So I had that to eat and everything.

So it wasn't very much money. So, um, this guy gave me a ride up to his place and I walked around his construction site and, uh, it was a story I'm sure you've heard a million times. He, uh, $60,000 for a reno on his house.

Uh, they wanted 30,000 up front. They would be done in six months. I was up there eight months after they started and he had wound up giving them all 60,000 already.

Yeah. So I walk around and I'm, you know, I'm not the Tony Lewis that I used to be building wineries. I'm Tony Lewis sleeping on the freaking floor, building doors in San Juan del Sur.

So I walk around, I'm just trying to be as honest as I can. And I'm like, you know what, man, when I see like a pile of bricks over here and like some brick tools resting in this puddle, it's kind of like, I don't know if that's right. I don't, I wouldn't do that with my tool.

And then we go over and we see a pile of drywall and some drywall stuff. And then we see, you know, and the story goes all the way around his house. And it was kind of like, dude, it's kind of like my kids are playing around, you know, and leaving their tools, their toys out.

And he was like, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I'm like, I don't know what to do about it because I don't know anybody here or anything I had done. I built a wine bar in Hacienda Iguana and I built a restaurant in Tola and I'd done some building before this in Nicaragua.

Um, so then he said, you know what, I'll pay you to come up here and sit and watch everybody work. And I was like, for sure, bro, I'm in a hundred percent. And he wanted to give me $40 a day.

So I went from $14 a day to $40. Uh, even there was a couple of days I was swinging machete and stuff. Like it was, it was pretty manual labor.

So this sounded great. I did that. And, um, slowly, uh, but quickly, uh, I fired each person because it was like, dude, you know, I'm supposed to watch you and you're not working.

So you gotta leave. And then he asked me to hire my own crew, you know, and I went and found like guys that I'd worked with before. And I built up a crew, like six people.

And then, um, then I was up to 70 bucks a day, which was like, wow, dude, you know, I'm going to do it. This is going to work. And, um, then that project ended.

And during the time I wanted to solve the biggest problem I could in Nicaragua. And at first I thought it was like immigration. So I learned all about investment immigration and stuff.

And then I thought it was about buying cars and setting up SAOs. And then I thought it was about health insurance and then said all these ideas, but then I was sure I was like, dude, building is the biggest pain in the expat. That's why they go home.

You know? So I said, look, I drew this thing on a napkin. I was like, dude, I think I can build like a, a modular, like a Lego system out of readily available shit that we have here that anybody can do for me, you know, not relying on heavily skilled dudes.

And he was like, just sounds awesome. Let's do it. So I said, I don't know how much it's going to cost, man.

This is not like normal business for me. Um, but I'll sell you 5% for 15 grand. And he was like, let's do it.

And I said, I don't have a bank account. I don't have a business and I have no way to take your money, bro. So give me a thousand bucks and I'll go find a lawyer to set up the account.

I can't give the money back to you. Just being honest, if I fuck it up, it's over. Um, so he said, sure.

I went to the lawyers and stuff and they were like, we need 3000. I was like, man. So I wound up finding two more dudes to start, start rad pad with me, um, an electrician and a tiny house builder guy.

It was amazing that I found these people. They kind of came to me. I was just so lucky or fortunate.

And, um, then we got the money and we got the business started. And then eventually after the bank account opened, they put their money into it. And then, um, then just miracles, dude, like since, uh, the, the big hardware chain in Nicaragua, they have, they have 20 something stores are big, big deal.

A hardware shop. They were like, Tony, dude, I love what you're doing. I love your story.

Here's a warehouse. And they gave me this huge warehouse right in the middle of, of Revis on the, in between San Juan, right on the main road there. It was huge, dude.

Like you could build houses in this thing. It was gigantic and people drove right by it. So then we started building rad pads and we went, you know, nine different versions and we built them.

So we did like renders and then we, you know, we all decided, yeah, that's it. And then we tried to execute the render and we could, you know, so it was like, we got to these nine, nine different versions. And, uh, in the process, we developed the beach club down on, uh, playa Mahagual, one of the most beautiful beaches.

Um, and, uh, we built up nine partners. So I have nine guys and they're all like some of the smartest people in Nicaragua on the rad pad team, but they've all basically, you know, uh, joined in. And every time it was like, all right, this is the next level of rad pad who's going to help us get there.

And, um, so then that was going and, um, that coastal road was coming in and, uh, the government puts a hold on registration of titles when a road, a federal road is going through the property. So this, this property was 2,500 months on us connected to the beach. One of our partners owns it and the road was going through it.

So we had built rad pads and we were getting ready to sell. And then we couldn't, and it was like, no. So, so that led us into, you know what, maybe rad pad isn't the building system.

Isn't what it's about. It's, it's about the biggest problem expats have here in Nicaragua have up there in Nicaragua was generating income. So what they really needed was these people like, um, the stories that I have, I have a channel called everything Nicaragua.

And there's just so many interviews of expats that sold everything. So they have like jobs, there were CEOs or they were somewhere up high in their business, you know, but they got a paycheck every month. They sold everything, cars, couches, house, and got one big nugget of cash and came to Nicaragua.

They didn't really know how to manage that big amount of cash. You know, they, they had every month would come in Monday and that's how they live. So they spent a lot of their nut right away, you know, and it started dwindling and they started getting scared.

So they wind up going home after about two years. So I thought, you know, if the expat can get here and buy a couple of rental units and start getting some cashflow from them, that's the biggest, that's the biggest pro that's the cause of the problem is no cashflow for these guys. So then, then we thought we'd do RADPAD as investments and we set them up on the beach.

And that's when I took the trip to Costa Rica and was like, dude, we got to do it in Costa Rica. There are so many people in Costa Rica, you know.

[Richard Bexon]

And you just finished a project in Costa Rica?

[Tony From Rad Pad]

Yeah, we did. We just finished our first build in Platineo. It's right next to Nyaca waterfall.

Nice.

[Richard Bexon]

I mean, how much does a, how much does a RADPAD cost here in Costa Rica? I mean, you've just done one. So, I mean, yeah, I mean, right.

[Tony From Rad Pad]

So I know, I know down to the penny right now. And, and, you know, we had some, you know, outsourced things like the foundation and a few other things and, and budgets changed dramatically from Costa, from Nicaragua to Costa Rica. So we do a, a one bedroom, a hotel unit.

This includes like septic tank, electricity, water, hookups, interior finishings, the design lighting, bed sheets, toilet paper, like the work, we call it rent ready. And that goes for $35,000 USB. Wow.

And it's, it's in 60 days or less. So from start to finish, that's, that's everything. Like you don't do anything.

You just point out that, that area. We really, if you get a chance to check out Paradise Lodge, it's the gnarliest spot you could ever imagine, dude. It's like a cliff.

[Richard Bexon]

And it was jungle. We didn't cut one tree.

[Tony From Rad Pad]

There is a lot. So they wanted to take unusable or unused property and turn it into cashflow. Yep.

So we were like, well, that's unused. They're like, yes, it is. That's where we dump the dead bushes or whatever.

[Richard Bexon]

Well, I think there's a lot of people that are looking to put some form of unit on their property. I mean, there've been quite a few kind of, I would say, kind of prefab style companies here.

[Tony From Rad Pad]

Right.

[Richard Bexon]

They've kind of bumped along, but nobody's really owned that space, if that makes sense. I mean, we've worked with Ubale, Atlante Homes, Almasa, and they've kind of done a good job, but like nobody really owns that could kind of come in. And as you said, they're in 60 days, get it done.

I mean, let me just switch gears. I mean, what shocked you most about Costa Rica, though?

[Tony From Rad Pad]

$16 sandwich. Yeah. No, but what it did for me, man, I did it.

I bought it and I was like, what the, no, what? You know, like it shocked me. I haven't had a $16 sandwich since Los Angeles.

And that was five years ago, six years ago. So what it did for me though, it was exactly what I needed. I said, at this point, I can be a crusty expat guy that gripes about prices, or I can say, I need to be a more service to people so that I can afford to eat the sandwich.

Because when I ate it, man, smoked turkey, Swiss cheese, fresh bread, it was a hundred dollars sandwich that I got for $16. So it changed my whole mindset right then and there. It was like, no, I'm going to figure out how to get people this cash flow rolling.

Yeah.

[Richard Bexon]

I mean, a lot of people mentioned the cost here. I mean, I say that people pay for the weather and the security here. That's what we're paying for.

It's kind of a tax because our taxes really aren't that high comparatively, corporate and personal tax. But I mean, just the cost of doing business here. If you have a business here, you just understand from employees to social security to everything else that you need.

I mean, the costs just rack up so quickly.

[Tony From Rad Pad]

Right. Something I learned in Nicaragua that translated over here, but I think this would be very shocking for people that didn't have that Nicaragua experience. If you're just coming in fresh and building or doing a business is the amount of surrender you have to do.

I have to surrender when I'm on the phone with the guy at the DJI store in San Jose. And I'm like, I would like this, this, this. Here's my credit card number.

Please ship it to me. I'll pay whatever. My time is so much more valuable than my money.

Please help me out, brother. And they're just like, no, we don't have that in stock. I'm like, what?

No. And then I go on DJI, blah, blah, blah. And it goes back and forth.

I do. I don't. I do.

I don't. And I had to drive there today and it's taken all day. Right.

I drove there. I go there. They got like 30 of them in stock of exactly what I wanted.

Everything I wanted was right there. And then, you know, paying for it. It was like the debit card wouldn't allow that amount of money on it for some reason, you know?

And I'm like on the bank, I'm like, dude, there's plenty of money. Yeah. But no.

So, you know, I had to rely back to my lawyers and my accountants on the phone to, you know, up the something on it and then do a wire transfer. And then this guy had to get his boss to check it. And it was like that type of like, just surrender.

Just be like, dude, you know what? You can be right or you can be happy.

[Richard Bexon]

Yeah. Surf the wave, man.

[Tony From Rad Pad]

That's it. Surf it, dude.

[Richard Bexon]

Don't fight it. Just go with it.

[Tony From Rad Pad]

All day. I'm going to be buying that camera. That's what I said this morning from five o'clock this morning.

All day.

[Richard Bexon]

Yeah. What have you really enjoyed about Costa Rica, though?

[Tony From Rad Pad]

Oh, man. So many things, dude. I'll give you.

So I wake up the other day. I mean, it's you're making me so happy because I'm just thinking in my mind is jogging through all my favorite things about Costa Rica. Oh, my God.

Like swimming naked in a waterfall five minutes from my house, man. I know that sounds like really like that in Canada. No, no.

Too cold. Too cold. But it's just like they're like that is like such connection to nature, man.

Like that. The water. And that was after I swam in the ocean, after I ran on the beach, you know, and got salty and just like, you know, salted.

I think it's good for you. And then ran up to a waterfall and jump in that sucker. You know, that's just it's so that my walk home was just so like euphoric is what it was like.

It was just I felt so much vibration and charge that I can't get from anything. I know back back in Canada, I would kind of get it from the gym. You know, I'd hit the gym hard and I would kind of do it, but not it's not the same like the monkeys, the toucans, and I'm not making it up.

There were monkeys, there were toucans, the iguanas, the the the cicadas, the the birds, the people, you know, people making loud noises, you know, people revving their motorbike. It's all part of it. And it's like a it's it's yeah, it's just it's amazing to me that that's my favorite part.

Yeah. And then then pickleball, like I was playing pickleball last night. I don't know how to play pickleball.

I just thought about it. And then it was like, there's people playing pickleball. Great.

Let's do it. You know, I don't have that spontaneity, I guess it is or that it's just that it's just like everything changes all the time. And it's okay.

[Richard Bexon]

You're riding the wave. Yeah. Good for you, man.

Good for you. Well, my last question for you is I've kept you long enough. If you had $500,000 to invest in Costa Rica, what would you invest it in?

And why?

[Tony From Rad Pad]

Oh, man.

[Richard Bexon]

Probably your answer is a bunch of rat pads, right?

[Tony From Rad Pad]

Yeah, yeah. You know what, though, if there was something better, I'd do it and something better. My mission is, is, you know, is pretty clear for me on an individual level of what I want.

And that's, you know, if I'm going to own anything, I'm down to like a backpack and a half full of stuff. I'm a true minimalist. Well, now I got a new drone.

But I would say if I had $500,000, and I had to invest it in or I was lucky enough to invest in Costa Rica, I would invest, I would buy what I'm selling, I would, I would set up a rat pad micro resort. I would brand it after a niche market that I could leverage to ensure its occupancy. And then I'd take that profit and do it again, I think, because I really want to own assets that earn cash flow now, not long term investments.

I don't have time for that. Right now.

[Richard Bexon]

Good answer, man. Well, Tony, it's been an absolute pleasure to have you here on the podcast. Again, very different than any podcast we've had before, man.

So it's just awesome. I appreciate you taking the time.

[Tony From Rad Pad]

Well, thank you so much, man.

[Richard Bexon]

I'm just Yeah, thank you. And I'll keep watching your videos, dude. I love them.

Sounds good, man. All right.

[Tony From Rad Pad]

Adios. Bye.